How To Grow Your Online Business by Spending More Time Offline with Casey Arnold

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Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Healthpreneur Podcast. Today we’ve got a great guest. Her name is Casey Arnold. One of our mutual friends is a mutual friend, and I was just introduced to Casey a little while ago.

It just so happened that one of my former colleagues and good friend from 15 years ago is one of her closest friends. He moved all the way from Toronto down to Texas. It’s a cool synchronicity. It’s such a small world.

Today’s episode is going to inspire you to realize the true way to build your online presence. Now, whether you’re coaching clients or selling products, the fundamentals are the same. And what you’re going to discover in this episode is how to build your business online by spending more time off-line.

Sounds like a bit of an oxymoron, right? Let me introduce Casey more officially for you.

So, she is the founder and owner of Casey Arnold Nutrition. She’s been in the fitness and nutrition industry for over 10 years, and holds several nutrition certifications and mentorships under her education umbrella. Her true passion is education and empowering people with great insights and knowledge to make a bigger difference for their lives.

She’s been a primary educator to other trainers and coaches from high school to collegiate levels. She inspires clients, athletes, coaches, and groups to live their best and most empowered life, which is something her and I share very much in common.

She believes that success lies within education, dedication, discipline, and consistency. If you want to learn more about what she is up to, you can check out CaseyArnoldNutrition.com.

Without any further ado, let’s welcome Casey to the show. Casey, what’s up? Welcome to the Healthpreneur Podcast. How’s it going?

Casey:                        Oh, my Lord. It is going so well. It’s just another beautiful day in Colorado. I’m sure it’s going great up in Canada, right?

Yuri:                Yes, it is. I’m excited because we were just chatting before we started recording about something that we both believe in, which is spending more time off-line building human connections to build your business and brand online. I want to go deep into that in a second.

First, give our listeners a bit of context. Talk to us about your journey. Then we’ll jump into that goodness.

Casey’s journey and the importance of in-person connection

Casey:                        Absolutely. I’ve been in the health and fitness space for over 12 years, and started out on the fitness side as a fitness educator. I saw broken pieces in our industry, the biggest being nutrition. I had a nutritional downfall, personally, about a year ago and that’s what stemmed my growth and my desire to help as many people as I can traditionally speaking.

Through that journey in building my business, coaching team, and everything online, I realized that the biggest missing piece to that success is maintaining human connection outside of the Internet.

Yuri:                Yeah. It’s funny because before we recorded, Casey was talking about some great people from Toronto that we both know are now down in Dallas. It’s such a small world, it’s all H to H, and as the world and business becomes more digitized, the need and desire to get more in person is going to be even greater for everyone, not just entrepreneurs.

Was there a moment when you recognized that it just made sense to spend more time building these relationships?

 

How a lack of connection impacts your business

Casey:                        I’ve always been a lover of people. I feel like I’m like a walking heart with arms and legs. When I was at a conference four years ago, I noticed everybody walking through the expo was on their phones. People didn’t have their heads up trying to connect with people. And that’s why you’re there. You’re there to make connections, talk to people, and create authentic relationships.

I was in an expo of thousands of people and I looked around and everyone had their head down because their social media post, text message, or Snapchat was more important than making the connections to elevate their business.

That’s when I thought, “Oh my gosh, I have to be doing something right because I’m the only one that doesn’t have my phone out.” I didn’t have a huge connection to my phone, but I knew that it was important. That was a huge wake up call. You have to maintain human connection in order to create authentic, valuable business connections and create a much larger impact on this world.

I still see a ton of fitness and nutrition entrepreneurs struggling because they feel they need to hide behind the computer or their phone. When they’re in person they don’t know how to have that conversation. They don’t know how to speak about what they desire to have because they’re so used to just typing and surface level conversations. They don’t know how to get deep and be true to their selves and what they want.

Yuri:                I couldn’t agree more. I was having dinner with two buddies the other night and one of them is a pretty prominent figure in our space. He loves Instagram and Instagram stories.

I see it from a business perspective for him, and it makes sense. I told him, “I don’t have Instagram or Facebook on my phone because I know myself. I go down those rabbit holes very easily and it just becomes a whirlpool of nonsense. I don’t want that to compromise the quality of the relationship I have with my kids.”

I don’t want to be on my phone when I’m with my kids or, if I’m at a conference or mastermind, everyone’s typing on their phones and missing out on the experience. They’re missing out on being present, connecting, and learning.

I believe that human connection is a dying art. I don’t know if the millennials have the ability. I’m not going to say all of them, but you know, some of them are just so fixated on their devices that they feel more comfortable texting than having eye to eye contact with another human. So, it’s an interesting time that we’re navigating.

Casey:                        A hundred percent. I was giving a nutrition seminar recently in Dallas, Texas. Over 90 percent of the people in the seminar were so busy taking pictures and trying to Instagram story, like my seminar and the questions were not there.

For the younger generation, everything was about, “Okay, let me just get this on my IG story, let me get this. Then, afterwards I asked, “Do you have any questions?” and I got a slew of Instagram DMs from these kids asking questions because they don’t know how to communicate in person.

They literally lost that skill. You wonder: are they being taught that at home, or is that a lost art in school? Especially with my husband and I having our first child on the way, we are aware and extremely hypersensitive to the technology that’s around us all the time. How are we going to create and make sure that our child grades those relationships so they’re not stuck with their heads in their phones?

Yuri:                Yeah, totally. So, how do you advise entrepreneurs to navigate that when they think they must be spending all this time online to build out their platform or whatever it is they’re doing? How do you feel this lack of connection is impacting their business?

 Casey:                        I think it’s impacting people’s businesses hugely. When you see people online and they go out to a conference to try and make more connection, when you look deep into their content, all their content is just themselves. There’s no human connection in the content and they’re with no one else. It’s all just them, them, them. It’s almost like they’ve turned into a “me monster”.

Other entrepreneurs wonder how I’m so well connected. I get emails or DMs all the time asking, “You know so many people. What are you doing?”

It’s all about time blocking. I allow myself to have time blocks throughout the day where I’m allowed to be on my phone. I’m getting better at it, too. I get to be on Instagram for 30 minutes, get my post done, and that’s it.

I get to check Facebook morning and night, and maybe once in middle of the day, but I hold myself accountable. I also have somebody that holds me accountable, which is one of my business coaches. They hold me accountable and make sure I’m doing what I say I’m going to do on my social media time so the rest of my time is focused on building out content and connecting with others outside of social media.

Everyone thinks they should do all these connections on social media, but you need to have those in-person connections. Find people in your area, and go get coffee with somebody. Take that time, because when you make those invaluable moments of conversation in-person, it leads to the most valuable content and connections moving forward.

The biggest advice I can give is to find one of the few people that you do not want to disappoint, and have them be your accountability buddy for your social media time. If that’s what it’s going to take, then do that, and once you’ve created a rhythm and routine, then maybe you won’t need that much accountability anymore.

Then you’ll go out and set goals like, “I’m going to connect in-person with three different people this week.” Or, “I’m going to be in this city. I’m going to make sure I get lunch with this person.” Or, “I’m going to get dinner with this person.” Make sure you’re setting up weekly or monthly goals of in-person and social media time. Then, move forward from there.

Yuri:                Love it. I’m guilty of this. I value connection probably more than anything. Yet, I find myself prioritizing other things sometimes. So, instead of spending Friday afternoons connecting with other people in-person, I’ll just do other things. I’m guilty of that.

But when I travel, I find that I’m more open to booking group dinners and that kind of stuff. Time blocking for social media is good advice. Putting that time aside to connect with people in-person is important. There’s never been an event, paid or not, that has not paid off in ROI and better relationships.

If you just put yourself in these situations to connect with new people, it’s awesome. Selfishly, that’s one of the reasons I love this podcast. I get to meet awesome people like yourself and start these awesome relationships that I may not have had otherwise. Listeners, that’s another cool reason you may want to consider a podcast if you enjoy doing that.

Casey:                        I couldn’t agree more with you, Yuri. I’m guilty of it, too. My husband also keeps me in check. Even when we’re out to dinner alone, our phones are put away and we have deep, authentic conversations. We see so many couples, especially when we go and have lunch or dinner dates, just sitting there and not even talking. They have their food in front of them, they haven’t touched it, and they’re too busy on their phones. It’s the same thing as what you said about the conferences.

When I speak to other people, and they ask, “How do you do it?” I say, “Just put your phone away and just be you.” People are almost too scared to just open themselves up and peel back those onion layers to be their real authentic self in front of people. That holds them back in their business.

If they just take the time to put that stinking phone or social media away and be themselves in person, that’ll resonate tenfold because then other people are going to talk about them and say, “Wow, it was so great to meet Yuri. He was so great to have a conversation with, it was amazing.” Rather than, “Oh, I never got to talk to Yuri because he had his face in his phone the whole time.”

But you see that so much. That’s the biggest connection piece to success: Taking the time to look somebody in the eyes and have that conversation, even its five or 10 minutes, without your phone. I don’t know if this happens to you a lot, but when I meet people with their phone in their hand, they’re half listening and half on their phone sending out that next text message or Checking Facebook or Instagram. They’re not fully present in the conversation.

Yuri:                If I’m in a situation where that happens, it tells me everything about the person right there. I don’t like to make snap judgements, but there’s a lot to be said for that; either they don’t value you, they don’t value the time, or who knows? I completely agree with that.

One of the most important lessons I can impart upon anyone is: if you’re present with someone, be present with them. Having been in this space for a long time, I remember meeting a couple of people that are very prominent figures in our space, and there’s nothing worse than getting into a conversation and they’re looking by you, looking for someone else more important to talk to.

It doesn’t matter if you’re talking to a complete newbie who you don’t think is worth your time or whatever it is. Be present with them because I guarantee you they’ll remember your presence for a long time.

I think Joe Polish said, “Be nice to the people on the way up, because we’re the same people you’ll see on the way down.” It’s a very true statement, because if you think you’re too cool for school, people will remember that. There are people that I have blacklisted just based on a 30 second conversation I’ve had with them, based on how they treated the conversation.

Casey:                        I couldn’t agree more with you, Yuri. You hit that on the head. It says so much about that person. I’ll get messages here and there from people who never had someone pay attention to them. I’ll get a message saying, “Hey, thank you so much for listening to me.” I think, “Wow, that’s something you shouldn’t be thanked about all the time.” That’s something you should naturally be doing, something that we used to do until media and social media came around and people’s voices stopped being heard. They feel lost and sad because they don’t feel like people care.

That’s a big part of my mission in what I do. I allow people that come into my life, whether they’re clients or new coaches that I’m hiring, to understand that I care about them, I am here, I’m listening, and they are more important than anything else when we’re having conversations. That’s the way everybody should feel when they’re having conversations.

Incorporating connection with your team and clients into your mission

Yuri:                Totally. How do you operate with team members or coaches in terms of communication? Sometimes, especially in the digital space, entrepreneurs want to delegate and let someone else do things and never speak to them. Or they micromanage the hell out of them. What communication styles you have and how do you encourage your team members? What does that like for you?

Casey:                        For me, when it comes to having a solid team, I’m not in charge of anybody. They’re on the exact same level as me. We are one team. They’re no better than I am, and we’re all learning together. That’s how I have it set up, and it’s completely open door communication.

We have weekly phone calls set up so that we can communicate. We can see each other via Zoom because I don’t live in the same city as any of my coaches. They’re in three different cities across the U.S. And it’s important for them to understand that I’m not better than them. They have just as much opportunity and value in my company as I do. We collaborate and when we communicate, it’s an open door.

I’m no better than them. I don’t delegate. I don’t tell that they must do X, Y, and Z. I allow them to bring up their ideas, and then we create – as a team – the best solution moving forward so they feel valued, confident, and independent. They have some statute in what we’re doing as a company moving the vision forward of Casey Arnold Nutrition.

We’re a team and we’re walking up this hill together.

 Yuri:                That’s awesome. Does that management and communication style just come naturally to you or is this something that you’ve developed over the years?

Casey:                        I have to give thanks to all the coaches and mentors that I’ve had in my life. This was literally taught to me at my first big job as a boot camp educator. Still, this woman is one of my best friends and she was in my wedding. I used to be, well, I still am very type A, but I wanted to tell people what to do. Like, “This is how you do it, and it was my way or the highway.” I was quickly put into my own pants by this phenomenal leader in Boston. She said, “You’re not going to get anywhere in life if you’re trying to lead that way. You need to make people feel like a part of a team.”

She taught me that 12 years ago. Every other mentor I’ve had my life, whether it be Ballantyne or Jason Phillips, you name it, they all have that same way of educating and implementing how to be a great leader and business owner. And it’s not about you, it’s about your team.

I’m so grateful that I was put in my place 12 years ago because if I wasn’t, I don’t know if I would be in the space that I’m in right now as a leader and business owner. I was taught very quickly that that was not going to get me anywhere.

Yuri:                That’s awesome. I mean, it’s sad that it takes a real kick in the ass for us to realize things, but that’s just the way humans operate. It’s always cool to see the journey that we go through because usually one pivotal moment, or a series of things, make you realize you should do something differently to change. Now, everything happens for a reason, right?

I just had a friend and colleague of mine whose entire staff just left him. I didn’t know this until a couple of days ago, but apparently, he treated them terribly. This is surprising to me because he’s a nice guy otherwise. I don’t know him in that setting, but his entire team just left. Got up, left, boom. And it’s sad to hear that happen. It doesn’t happen often, but for that to happen something bad has got to be going on.

 

Vulnerability, struggle, and growth over ego, and people-pleasing to destruction

Casey:                        Oh, yeah. Don’t get me wrong, of course, we’re all striving for perfection. I’m not perfect by any means. We strive for that. To be completely selfless, I still catch myself in some moments trying to micromanage or doing something. My better half will just give me a good check and let me know, and sometimes we argue because it’s hard for me to be wrong.

But just humble yourself, put that in your back pocket, and move forward. I think that’s also one of the biggest things for business owners in our space. They don’t want to humble themselves. They feel that if they are humbling themselves, then they’re being too vulnerable and not being strong enough. But to me, true strength comes by being vulnerable, putting your dark guard down, and allowing yourself to grow, because with struggle comes growth and when you see that happening, it’s a beautiful process.

We’ve seen lots of different business owners transform how they manage their teams or themselves when they become vulnerable, humbled, and choose growth and struggle, rather than ego.

Yuri:                Nice. Good advice. What’s one lesson you had to learn the hard way and how can you help our listeners avoid that mistake?

Casey:                        One lesson that I learned the hard way was being a people-pleaser. You cannot please everybody, and there was a point in my life eight years ago when I was making my shift, where I was people-pleasing so much that it literally debilitated me. It almost cost me my entire business. It landed me in jail, which we can talk about later, full transparency.

People-pleasing is not going to get you anywhere, but we don’t want to disappoint, right? We want to make sure everybody’s happy. But, at the end of the day, when you learn that you are not going to make everybody happy, you are not for everybody, you are for your niche tribe, there are 6 billion plus people on this planet, and there are plenty of people that you can serve within your tribe, that’s when you’re going to completely game-change your business.

If you feel you must make everybody happy and please every single person, you’re going to burn out. You’re going to burn bridges. You’re going to hurt relationships, and that’s not a fun place to be in. Trust me, I’ve been there.

Yuri:                That’s a huge insight. Guys, rewind and listen to that again. I know you may have heard this before, but one of the things I’ve recognized over the years while helping people with their coaching businesses is that, as a good coach, you’re able to have meaningful conversations that cut to the truth.

I think a lot of people shy away from asking tough questions because they don’t want to be disliked. The fear of being dislikedis one of the biggest things that holds us back from building our business, because we’re afraid of asking for the sale, being rejected, or whatever it is. But it also paralyzes you from having deeper, more meaningful conversations with other people. What you mentioned there, Casey, is huge. Trying to please everyone is just a race to the bottom.

Casey:                        Oh, a hundred percent. And just like you said, people are afraid to be themselves and ask for what they want. You’re never going to know unless you ask. The right people will be there, and if you’re speaking your authentic truth, people are not going to like you, they’ll love you.

If you’re living in your truth and you’re being honest and authentic, the right people are going to be by your side. That was another thing that held me back: Comparison syndrome. I was told by so many mentors and coaches, “You’re the best, Casey. Why aren’t you out there more?” I literally just compared myself. “Well, they’re better than me so they can just go coach with them.”

But, everybody has their own special and unique gift. As soon as you can let that go and know that you are special and there are people you can serve, that’s when the magic really happens.

Yuri:                How did you get through that? How do you get out of that comparison stuff? What did you do to get yourself focused and recognizing your differentiator, how you add value to the world?

 

The reason why there’s no excuse not to have a coach or mentor

Casey:                        That process for me was having a coach and a mentor. You need a village around you to create that success. I knew I couldn’t do it on my own and I needed the right mentor and the right coach. And so, this is like words I live by, A coach ingrained these words I live by in my head: “Put your blinders up, hold your vision, and serve your people.”

So, when I put my blinders up I realized that it doesn’t matter what anybody else is doing. My mentor told me, “People are literally dying because you’re not in their lives. You are being selfish because you’re not serving your people; because you are too afraid of what everyone else is going to think about you, and you’re comparing yourself to the next nutrition or health coach.”

When I grasped the concept of, putting my blinders up and serving my people, that’s when the game changed for me.

It was like a light switch just went on, Yuri. It was also the accountability from my coach asking, “What are you doing? What are the action steps that you’re taking?” That was something I relentlessly implemented every single day. Something that I’m still even working on today.

As soon as that happened, my tribe started to navigate towards me. The people I wanted to work with, those were the people coming to me because they saw me serving them through my content, writing, Instagram, or Facebook posts. I knew who I was serving. I didn’t care about anybody else. I knew my target and who I wanted to help.

And as soon as you do that, everyone will start to gravitate towards you. Don’t try to serve everybody else and worry about what everyone else thinks. Get an accountability buddy or have a coach if you need it. That’ll really help push you through that.

Yuri:                Great advice. What do you say to people who feel they can’t invest in a coach?

Casey:                        I tell them there’s no excuse, because there literally isn’t. In my mind, Yuri, there’s no excuse. If they say, “I don’t have the money,” it’s all mindset because money is energy, and if you don’t have the money, it’s because you’re choosing to believe you don’t have that money to invest in a coach.

I mean there’s people out there that are brokers and brokers have no money and they find the money. They find the way to get that coach because their vision and their mission and what they want to do is so much more important than any excuse out there.

So, if you say you don’t have the money, then you’re telling yourself you don’t. But, in all reality, I promise you that you do. You’re not digging deep enough to work hard enough to get that money, to hire that coach.

Yuri:                That’s awesome. That’s great advice and I think that’s part of what separates those who succeed. Whatever you want to call success in business from those who don’t. About 80 percent of the people we’ve had on this podcast have said that very same thing. The number one thing they attribute to their success other than persistence, is having a coach or mentor.

And they wish they would’ve had one sooner. I would put you in that category. My first coaches were Bedros and Craig and you know, this was like three years into my business online. I didn’t have the money to spend – $18,000 at the time – but I knew that’s what I needed to do to get to the next level. It was the single best decision I made in my life because that started a whole sequence of events that got me to where I am now.

I know I wouldn’t be here if I hadn’t made that decision. As you said, it is a mindset. It is a hundred percent mindset. Whether it’s $5,000 or $20,000 what’s the worst-case scenario? What’s the worst thing that can happen if you lost that money? Would your life be over? No. You would be able to get clients, pick something up, or make lattes at Starbucks.

Obviously, that’s not what we want to do, but the upside is limitless, right? Some people are so limited in terms of their beliefs. They think, “Oh, I can’t scrap this money together,” or whatever, and other people say, “Yeah, I’ll just turn on my credit card and make this happen.”

Casey:                        Totally. And that’s exactly what I did. It’s also that support, right? I knew I needed Craig and I knew I need Jason. I still kick myself in the butt thinking about if I would have had Craig four years ago. I’d be in a totally different space. But I’m so grateful that I have him and Jason Phillips now.

It was non-negotiable. My husband was like, “Okay, we’re just going to do it.” When you believe so much in your vision and your mission, you’re going to make it happen.

What’s the worst thing that’s going to happen? You’re not going to go backwards. You might have like, $5,000 or $10,000 of credit card debt, but you’re not going to go backwards. You’re going to create, you’re going to get an experience, and you’re going to get so much further than where you are, just meddling in your own crap.

Yuri:                It’s not like you’re buying a new pair of shoes. You’re learning and growing. At the very minimum, you’ll learn one new insight that changes the way you think. Even if your money was gone forever, you’re a different and better person. So, guys, if you’re listening to this, get a coach. I call this the litmus test: If you are coaching clients and you expect them to invest in you, but you don’t have your own coach, there’s a massive disconnect.

Casey:                        Amen.

Yuri:                And are you the client you want to attract? If you’re having a tough time enrolling clients because they don’t see the value in investing in you, ask yourself, “Do I invest in myself?” If the answer’s no, that’s probably the solution. Tough love, man. You’ve got to do this, it’s a big, big thing.

Casey:                        I could not have said that better.

 

The Rapid Five

Yuri:                Awesome. Well that’s what I’m here to do. Casey this has been awesome. We’re going to segway into the Rapid Five. Are you ready?

Casey:                        Ready!

 Yuri:                Alright, here we go. Whatever comes top of mind is probably the right answer. What is your biggest weakness?

Casey:                        My biggest weakness is being controlling.

Yuri:                I don’t think anyone can relate to that.

Casey:                        That’d be the first thing my husband would say. Control freak.

Yuri:                Yeah. Nice. Number two, what is your biggest strength?

Casey:                        Love.

Yuri:                Nice. Number three, what’s one skill you’ve become dangerously good at to grow your business? 

Casey:                        Human connection.

Yuri:                Nice. Number four, what do you do first thing in the morning?

 Casey:                        First thing in the morning I get up and I have a glass of water with lemon and apple cider vinegar.

Yuri:                And then what do you do?

Casey:                        And then I go into the bathroom and I put my makeup on in my pjs. I feel like if my face is done, then I’m ready to go for the day.

Yuri:                Awesome. Finally, number five, complete this sentence: I know I’m being successful when…

Casey:                        When I know I’ve impacted someone’s life in a positive way outside of a monetary value.

Yuri:                Love it. That’s awesome. That’s good. Casey Arnold, thank you so much for being with us. This has been awesome. I hope you guys have enjoyed this one. What is the best place for our listeners to stay in touch, follow you, and see what you’re up to?

Casey:                        Right, the best place that they can find me is at Caseyarnoldnutrition.com, or follow me on Instagram @CArnoldNutrition. My Facebook page is Casey Arnold Nutrition. I’m on all those platforms to help, serve, and be there for everybody.

Yuri:                Awesome. Thank you. Casey, once again, thanks so much for taking the time to join us today. This has been a great conversation. I’m sure we could talk about this forever, so I look forward to continuing the conversation in the future with you.

Casey:                        Oh, thank you so much, Yuri. It’s been a pure, absolute, amazing joy.

 Yuri:                You’re welcome.

 

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Yuri’s Take

Such a great interview. Wasn’t that so inspiring? Casey’s energy and enthusiasm in truly connecting with other humans is what it’s all about, guys. I hope you’re starting to get this.

We’re like more than 100 episodes into this podcast and the same themes keep coming up repeatedly. Spend more time connecting with others, hire a coach, get mentorship earlier, surround yourself with amazing people, and follow a proven path. Don’t reinvent the wheel if you’re not doing this stuff, okay? You are significantly handicapping your ability to move forward in this world and, see, it’s not about you.

So, don’t get all caught up in the fact that, for instance, you can’t afford to hire a coach or whatever. It has nothing to do with you because you not doing this is being selfish. Selfish to the people that need your help.

Think of it that way. Every month or year you delay or put off that thing or program and you think you’ll get there eventually, but you’re not there quite yet, more and more people are suffering because of your selfishness. I’m sorry to be brash and sassy about this, but you know what? That’s the way I see it.

You must move forward and you must do whatever it takes because not only are you going to serve other people out of their suffering to their bigger dreams, but you are going to help yourself because of that. Okay? That’s my little kick in the butt for today. Get out of your comfort zone and make the move that is going to make you a bit uncomfortable. Do the thing that you know you need to do, but scares you a little bit.

Remember, fear is wetting your pants. Courage is what you do with wet pants. Have the courage to step into the fear, get out of your comfort zone, and do that thing you know you need to do, but you’ve been holding back. That’s my message for you today.

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